[OFFICIAL] RE: [GZG] [LST] Yahoo group; official?

Hi all,

I thought I'd best jump in here and explain a couple of things before 
this gets unnecessarily heated...  :-/

First off, and most importantly, any confusion that has occurred over 
all this is quite probably mostly MY FAULT.
Yes, Jaime did contact me a while back to discuss the the idea of a 
forum linked to the GZG website, and (very kindly) offered to put 
something together for it and to look after it should it be adopted 
as "official". Some time soon after that, as far as Real Life(tm) is 
concerned for me, "La merde frappe le ventilateur", (as the French 
probably don't say.....) and I found myself so busy with stuff that I 
really couldn't get round to thinking about this project any further. 
This is not an excuse, BTW, it's an explanation - I SHOULD have given 
it some attention, and even when Jaime dropped me an email to say 
that he'd got stuff ready for me to look at I still couldn't find the 
time to get onto it, I'm ashamed to say.

In between these events, there was the first round of discussion 
about the merits of mailing list vs. forums on the list, from which 
(as Paul mentioned) the general consensus seemed to be pro-list and 
anti-forum. Now, when I originally OK'd Jaime looking at this, my 
hope was that the list could happily coexist alongside a forum, and I 
really never considered that it would adversely affect the list. 
Please remember in all this that I'm not a computer expert, or even 
much of an enthusiast - to me it's still very much a typewriter that 
doesn't need tippex, with the added advantage that I can look at porn 
on it.... er, obviously I mean "do vital research on it...."  ;-)

Now, I just thought I'd better post this now as some sort of an 
explanation of how we got to this situation.... I'm still up to my 
neck in RL(tm) matters, including moving house sometime in the next 
couple of weeks, and at this point I haven't even managed to read all 
the list traffic on this subject that has come in over the last few 
days - but I've skimmed enough to realise that things were getting a 
bit heated, and I didn't want any blame being put in the wrong place 
- Mea Culpa on this, and as soon as I've been able to catch up with 
the mails and figure out what the overall consensus of opinion is 
then maybe we cab sort out what is that best way to go. The bottom 
line, for the moment at least, is that I am still VERY much in favour 
of the mailing list continuing to do its excellent and entertaining 
job, and I wouldn't want to see that threatened by anything new. 
However, if we can sort out some kind of additional forum or whatever 
that can happily exist alongside it, that would be fine too.

To Jaime - thanks for you efforts so far, sorry if my inattention has 
caused any embarrassment, and I'll get back to you as soon as I've 
caught up with things; to everyone else, please feel free to continue 
comments and discussions on this subject - this email is not to kill 
the discussion, just to try and explain what happened and where the 
blame, if any, properly lies!  :-/

Thanks for reading,

Jon (GZG)

>  > Might be a very good idea, as it is it does look like an official
GZG
>  > site which I don't think it really should be, now I do understand
it was
>>  mentioned to Jon in passing but hes a very busy bee at the minute
and
>>  maybe didn't realise the implications of what he was agreeing too,
'what
>>  ohh hmm yea sounds reasonable, no that box doesn't go on the lorry,
hey
>>  your unloading into the wrong house', as mentioned we have been down
>>  this road and I think the concensus of oppinion was that it would
>>  alienate too many people.
>
>Well it's SUPPOSED to look like a GZG site since it was designed to
plug
>INTO the official site. After I brought it up the first time I wasn't
>planning on doing one since it did seem that more people didn't want it
>then did, but *Jon* emailed *me* and asked me to do it so I did.
>
>>  That's not to say you shouldn't do it for those that want it, I
think
>  > you just need to alter the site a bit to make it a little less
official
>>  GZG looking.  And I still think it looks good.
>
>Well unless it's actually accepted by Jon I'm just deleting it. I have
no
>intention of running a third party forum on GZGs. I just don't see it
>taking off unless it was an official site off the GZG site.
>
>I'm not trying to rock the boat for the sake of rocking the boat. I got
>ASKED to do it by Jon. I believe in the project, I think forums are a
hell
>of a lot better for these uses the email lists but I'm didn't do this
for
>me.
>
>And now I'm going to stop before I get mad.
>
>Jaime
>
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