Re: Engineers Was Re: TOE

At 5:37 PM -0700 6/30/04, John Atkinson wrote:
>--- Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>  Demolitions are performed with a carrot or
>>  explosives frame placed
>>  against the structure to be blown.
>
>???
>
>WTF?  Someone please explain how a vehicle-mounted
>system will do THIS?

Hobart would be surprised. His chaps in the 79th 
did this John. And I sweare I've seen it in some 
US Army FM.

In simple forms its, a wooden frame with the 
explosives built onto it. Using the dozer blade 
its carried to the object and the blade lowered 
to place the object against the wall to be 
breached with the explosives in contact. It was 
found to be a very good manner of breaching a 
seawall or linear wall that was under fire from 
defenses from inside an armored vehicle. Petards 
were far less capable of removing such an object.

I basically assumed this and other tricks that 
engineers come up with for putting explosives 
against a structure are what Jon had in mind with 
the Combat engineer kit and it's ability to blow 
a mine field or structure if the vehicle is in 
contact with the obstacle for a turn.

Obviously the engineer vehicle's functions are 
abstracted to a high detail, but then so are the 
repair functions of the ARVs and many other 
functions of the game.

>Nah, that's merely overpressure--MICLIC is obsolete
>itself.  Check the new Mongoose net charge--net with
>multiple charges in a pattern.  Mere overpressure can
>be dealt with with baffles.

Well, there you go. What about an advanced binary 
explosive sprayed on the field by the engineer 
vehicle and then detonated remotely.

>WTF?  The M-88 does NOT have earth-moving capacity.
>That spade is for stabilization when lifting heavy
>objects with the boom, not digging holes.  It can't do
>that.

M88's can't be used for digging? The simple 
little blade on a Swedish S-tank could be used by 
the tank itself for digging a scrape, not narrow 
fighting emplacements, but enough for the vehicle 
itself. I'd always assumed the M-88 had that as a 
tertiary ability if push came to shove. Otherwise 
why not build a larger set of hydraulic rams that 
set smaller spades in the ground. That'd allow 
more uneven ground and ersazt leveling of the ARV 
and stabilization when using the main winch.

Any how, a bit of searching yields:
https://hosta.atsc.eustis.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/accp/in0830/ch2.htm
(1)	M88 Recovery Vehicle. While the M88 is 
not an engineer vehicle, its boom, winch, blade, 
and towing capability can be very useful in 
augmenting specialized engineer vehicles. The 
blade can push loose soil or rubble, and back 
blade berms spread out soil from excavations. The 
blade cannot dig and is not designed to do the 
work of a combat engineer vehicle (CEV), armored 
combat earthmover (ACE), or D7 bulldozer. The 
winch, boom, and towing capability can be used in 
construction or removal of log obstacles, abatis, 
and tetrahedrons.

So it can do some of that. Just not 
scrapes....sounds like an annoying limit if you 
need scrapes dug in hurry.

>  > CUCV? Civilain Utility Commercial Vehicle? A bit
>
>Yup.

Bunches of these for sale. You lads wear them the hell out too.

>  > small for a lot of
>>  the kit, but good for a basic mechanic and his tools
>>  for moderate
>
>Sure--if it's something that can be fixed with bit of
>wrench-turning and some handy spare parts.  Which most
>things can be.
>
>But then again, I'm not terribly familliar with BDAR
>techniques.

Power pack and drive line swaps need hoists and lifts.

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Ryan Gill	       rmgill@SPAMmindspring.com
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