Re: New and Improved Website

John Atkinson wrote:

 >The Naval part is (I think) done.  I renamed most of
 >the ship classes, narrowed the arcs on some 3-beams,
 >not much else changed.  OO, I would like you to vet
 >them for point costs.

Sure. Here goes:

 >More adjustments will necessary once the New and Improved points
 >costing for Full Thrust comes out.

Note that the *procurement* costs in Noumisma don't need to change just 
because the *point values* changes. The procurement cost is the amount
of 
money the NRE navy had to pay for the ship; the points value indicates
how 
much the ship is worth in combat... and while those two values might 
coincide, they are not the same thing. (Indeed, the very fact that they 
usually *don't* coincide is by far the biggest reason why weapons have 
developed from sticks and rocks up to what we have available today and 
beyond :-/ )

Reliable class Mail Courier: OK. Strictly speaking the hull is Weak
(over 
15% of the TMF) rather than Fragile, but that's pretty irrelevant :-/

Valiant class Scout (AS), Chios class Reconnaissance Corvette (FFS):
both OK

 >Night-blooming Cerebus class System Defense Boat
[...]
 >Armament: 1xClass 1 Battery, 4 tons module space
[...]
 >The following 2 ton modules are available. [...]

I assume that you mean "400 tonnes modules" rather than "4 ton modules"?

Otherwise you're either saying that 100 tonnes = 1 ton (which sounds a
bit 
strange), or that your weapon modules are about 0.02 MASS each (which is

flatly contradicted by the three weapon module descriptions) :-/

If my above assumption is correct (and the modules described indicate
that 
I am), the NPV is 49 rather than 48:

Item:			Mass	Cost
Basic hull 14		-	14
Hull Integrity 4		4	8
1xClass 1 Battery	1	3
"4 tons module space"	4	12
1xFire Control		1	4
Main Drive rating 6	4	8
---------------------------------------------------
Total			14	49

Kalithea class Corvette (FFL), Belisarius class Frigate (FF), Maniakes 
class Heavy Frigate (FFH), Cimbalongus class Destroyer (DD, DDG; DDE), 
Kallisto class Stealth Destroyer (DDS), Krystallidis System Defense 
Destroyer, Milvian Bridge class Destroyer Leader (DDL), Georgis Averof 
class Light Carrier (CVL), Hydra class Commerce Raider (CR), Aspis class

Minehunter (MH): all OK

Keravnos class Electronic Warfare Destroyer (DEW): ILLEGAL - uses 1 MASS

too many (looks like a PDS or the B1-6):

Item:			Mass	Cost
TMF 44		-	44
Hull Integrity 13		13	26
2xB2-3 (LS/RS)	4	12
1xClass 1 Battery	1	3
Superior sensors	2	30
1xFire Control		1	4
1xArea Jammer	3	30
2xPDS			2	6
Armor rating 2		2	4
Main Drive rating 6	13	26
FTL Drive		4	8
-----------------------------------------------------
Total			45	193

 >Thessalonika class Light Cruiser (CL)
[...]
 >Procurement cost: 1770 Million Noumisma
 >Ships in Class (2183): 61xCL, 22xCLG
 >Procurement Cost: 1830 Million Noumisma

As currently written, it is a bit unclear which Procurement Cost refers
to 
what version; I suggest moving the "Procurement Cost: 1830 Million 
Noumisma" to immediately below the "Light Missile Cruiser" line, since 
that's the version it refers to. (The CL is OK at NPV 177, the CLG is OK
at 
NPV 183.)

Panther class Escort Cruiser (CE): OK

 >Miaoulis class Heavy Cruiser (CA)
[...]
 >Armament: 3xClass 2 Battery (LS/RS/FH), 1xClass 3 battery, (FA),
 >2xPulse Torpedo tube
[...]
 >Heavy Missile Cruiser (CAG) Remove Pulse Torpedoes, Class 3 battery,
 >1xClass 2. Add 4xSMR, move remaining >Class 2 to FH.

Undefined fire arc "FA". It seems to mean either "F" (60-degree forward 
arc) or "FH" (FP/F/FS, ie. 180-degree forward arc), and you're not using
it 
consistently to mean one of these meanings but instead alternate between

them. (When you refer to single fire arcs it would IMO be considerably 
easier if you deigned to use the arc designations provided in FB1
instead of
inventing your own; and if you absolutely have to invent your own arc 
designations for single arcs then at least PLEASE use them
consistently...!)

In this case the CA is OK if "FA" means "F"; but if OTOH "FA" means "FH"
it 
uses 2 MASS too many (82 instead of 80). The CAG uses 2 MASS too many
(82 
instead of 80) either way.

 >Athens class System Defense Cruiser
[...]
 >Armament: 3xClass 2 Battery (LS/RS/FA), 1xClass 3 battery, (FA),
 >1xClass 1 Battery, 2xPulse Torpedo tube

Undefined fire arc "FA". The only interpretation which makes this design

legal is if "FA" means "FH" for the Class-2 battery but "F" for the 
Class-3; it can't mean "F" for the Class-2 (since Class-2s have a
minimum 
of 3 arcs), and if it means "FH" for the Class-3 the ship uses 2 MASS
too 
many (82 instead of 80).

 >Tombazis class Protected Cruiser (CB)
[...]
 >Armament: 1xClass 1 Battery, 2xClass 2 Battery (FH), 3xClass 3
 >batteries, (FA), 2xPulse Torpedo tube

Undefined fire arc "FA". If "FA" means "F" the design is OK; if it is a 
typo for "FH" it uses 6 MASS too many (112 instead of 106).

 >Basileos Justinian class Battleship (BB)
[...]
 >Armament: 2xClass 2 Battery (FA), 4xClass 3 batteries, (FA), 2xPulse
 >Torpedo tube

Undefined fire arc "FA". Class-2 batteries cannot be 1-arc so for them
"FA" 
must be a typo for "FH"; however, if the 4xClass-3 batts are FH rather
than 
F the ship uses 8 MASS too many (128 instead of 120).

 >de la Valette class Battlecruiser (BC)
[...]
 >Armament: 3xClass 2 Battery (LS/RS/FH), 4xClass 3 batteries, (FA),
 >2xPulse Torpedo tube

Undefined fire arc "FA". If "FA" means "F" the design is OK; if it is a 
typo for "FH" it uses 8 MASS too many (128 instead of 120).

 >Basileos Megas Konstandinos class Dreadnought (DN)
[...]
 >Armament: 4xClass 2 Battery (LS/RS/2xFH), 4xClass 3 batteries, (FA),
2xPTorp

Undefined fire arc "FA". If "FA" means "F" the design is OK; if it is a 
typo for "FH" it uses 8 MASS too many (168 instead of 160).

 >Nafkratousa class Hunter-Killer Dreadnought (DNK)
[...]
 >Armament: 1xClass 2 Battery (FH), 3xClass 3 batteries, (FA), 8xPTorp

Undefined fire arc "FA". If "FA" means "F" the design is OK; if it is a 
typo for "FH" it uses 6 MASS too many (166 instead of 160).

 >Kilkis class Heavy Dreadnought (DNL)
[...]
 >Armament: 3xClass 2 Battery (LS/RS/FA), 4xClass 3 batteries, (FA),
 >1xClass 1 Battery, 3xPT

Undefined fire arc "FA". Class-2 batteries cannot be 1-arc so for them
"FA" 
must be a typo for "FH"; however, if the 4xClass-3 batts are FH rather
than 
F the ship uses 8 MASS too many (258 instead of 250).

 >Lemnos class Hunter-Killer Heavy Dreadnought (DNLK)
[...]
 >Armament: 3xClass 2 Battery (LS/RS/FA), 4xClass 3 batteries, (FA),
 >8xPTorp

Undefined fire arc "FA". Class-2 batteries cannot be 1-arc so for them
"FA" 
must be a typo for "FH"; however, if the 4xClass-3 batts are FH rather
than 
F the ship uses 8 MASS too many (258 instead of 250).

Basilissa Irene class System Defense Monitor: ILLEGAL - uses 1 MASS too 
many (251 instead of 250, and the NPV seems to be way too low too:

 >Displacement: 25000 tonnes (Mass factor 250)
[...]
 >Procurement cost: 8210 Million Noumisma, plus fighters

Item			Mass	Cost
Mass factor 250 -	250
Hull Integrity 75		75	150
2xClass 2 Battery	4	12
4xB3-3			24	72
2xClass 1 Battery	2	6
2 Pulse Torpedo Tubes	8	24
5xFire Control		5	20
6xPDS			6	18
Armor rating 34 	34	68
Level 2 Shields 	25	75
Main Drive rating 4	50	100
Hanger Bays: 2		18	54
Total			251	(849)

Antioch class Escort Carrier, Niki class Strike Carrier: both OK

 >Helle class Fleet Carrier
[...]
 >Armament: 1xClass 2 Battery (LS/RS), 2xClass 1 Battery

Armament seems to be wrong - judging from the TMF and NPV given it
should 
be "2xClass 2 Batteries (LS/RS), 1xClass 1 Battery".

 >Note on Firing Arcs:
 >I came up with my own abbreviations for common firing arc
combinations.
 >Defining the forward arc as number 1, and going clockwise, we have:
 >FH: Arcs 1,2,6
 >LS: Arcs 1,5,6
 >RS: Arcs 1,2,3

Why do you "define the forward arc as number 1" instead of simply using
the 
arc designations in FB1 (p.4, diagram 3)? Ie., define your 3-arc groups
as 
"FH = FP/F/FS, LS = AP/FP/F, RS = F/FS/AS"...

 >I'm not using any beta-test stuff unless and until it actually comes
out in
 >print.

<chuckle> So you're going to dump the Night-blooming Cerebus class the 
instant modular armaments become an official "beta-test rule"? ;-)

Regards,

Oerjan
oerjan.ohlson@telia.com

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