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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:15:05 -0500

Subject: Re: NAC additions

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At 9:00 PM +0100 1/19/04, Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
>Ryan Gill wrote:
>
>>Nike Class Area Defense Battlecruiser
>>(Majestic class Hull & Spade with sensors and larger PDS Diamonds)
> Mass Cost
>TMF: 118 - 118
>NPV: 458
>Thrust 4/FTL 24+12 48+24
>32 Hull 32 64
>6 Armor 6 12
>1 Screen 6 18
>14 PDS 14 42
>2 Class 1 2 6
>2 Class 2 (6 arcs) 6 18
>x3 ADFC 6 24
>2 FC 2 8
>MT Sup Sensors w/ ECM 2+3? 30+30?
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>Total 115?
>
>I've assumed Area ECM, but even so it doesn't add up to the TMF
specified.
I think these two BC's got screwed up in the
process from design to drawing the SSD.
It looks like 117/455 is more correct for mass/cost w/ 35 hull points.
>>Black Prince Class Battlecruiser
>>(Ticonderoga hull with a long Avalon class Spade)
> Mass Cost
>TMF: 134 - 134
>NPV:487
>Thrust: 6/FTL 40+13 80+26
>32 Hull 32 64
>5 Armor 5 10
>1 Screen 7 21
>2 PDS 2 6
>2 Class 1 2 6
>2 Class 3 (4 Arc) 14 42
>2 FC 2 8
>MT Sup Sensors 2 30
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Total 119
>
>Matt is not the only one wondering where the missing 15 Mass went <g>
I think I've made some mistake in transcribing
the stats to my SSDs. Double checking the data
base I made these in (another copy at work must
have the Nike), show TMF of 107 for the Black
Prince with 335 and 2 mass as reserve with no
sensors or ECM. Hmm.
>>Beatty Class Fast Battleship
>>(Victoria Class Hull/Spade w/ Vandenburg class Engine Pods)
> Mass Cost
>TMF: 134 - 134
>NPV: 487
>Thrust: 6/FTL 40+13 80+26
>30 Hull 30 60
>5 Armor 5 10
>1 Screen 7 21
>4 PDS 4 12
>ADFC 2 8
>3 FC 3 12
>2 Pulse Torps 8 24
>2 Class 1 2 6
>3 Class 3 (3 arcs) 12 36
>MT Sup Sensors 2 30
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Total 128
>
>6 Mass missing on this one
Weird...I wonder if one of my versions of my Data
Base are farked on a calculation somewhere. I
hope not.
Picking at it, it looks like it may be a confusion on costs.
3 Class 3 w/ 3 arcs each should be 6 mass per mount/18 mass for the 3.
>>Santa Maria Class BDN
>>(Excalibur w/ Ticonderoga center hull (less engines) in place of
broomstick)
> Mass Cost
>TMF 175 - 175
>NPV 631
>Thrust4/FTL 35+18 70+36
>45 hull/10 armor 45+10 90+20
>1 screen 9 27
>7 PDS 7 21
>1 ADFC 2 8
>3 FC 3 12
>4 P Torps (fore) 16 48
>4 Class 1 4 12
>4 Class 3 (3 arc) 24 72
>MT Sup Sensors 2 30
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Total 175 621
>
>Mass OK, but I get the cost 10 pts lower than Ryan does
This works with an 187 mass and Average Hull/56
and a cost of 677. The Sensors and ECM are a lot
of cost that don't usually get used in game. I
used this ship last night with an Excalibur and
Valley Forge in a battle and it worked out quite
well as a line of battle ship.
>>Long Beach Class SDN
>>(Vally Forge Hull)
> Mass Cost
>TMF: 190 - 190
>NPV: 685
>Thrust: 4/FTL 38+19 76+38
>44 Hull/10 armor 44+10 88+20
>1 Screen 10 30
>6 PDS 6 18
>1 ADFC 2 8
>3 FC 3 12
>4 Class 1 4 12
>10 MT missiles 20 60
>3 SM Launchers (2 fore 1 aft) 9 27
>1 SM Magazines (1st fore 9 27
> launcher w/ 3 standard 1 ER)
>1 SM Magazine (2nd fore & aft 14 42
> launchers w/4 standard
> and 2 ER)
>MT Sup Sensors w/ ECM 2 30
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Total 190 678
Hmm, Enhanced Sensors and Enhanced ECM (or a
combination of Sup/None). But cost should be 705.
190 Mass/725 NPV
More correctly, Avg/57 Hull
Sup Sensors, Ship ECM
I just figured out a problem with some of my
constructions to tweak. If you shift spare mass
to hull integrity, the cost should go up for the
structure. Reserve mass is only charged for the
basic hull cost, if it's used for structure, it
adds an additional x2 NPV per mass (charged 3
times).
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