RE: [SG2] AGL vs SAW

Check the DoD website:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/mk19.htm

Has an effective range of 1600m, 2200m max.  And it's
actually a MK19 Mod3 40mm Grenade MACHINE GUN.	It was
first developed by the NAVY in the early 1960's.
Wild..

--- Michael Brown <mwbrown@sonic.net> wrote:
> Many moons ago, I was at a range where they were
> testing the MK19 (prior to the 
> Army getting it) VERY impressive in a "I DON'T want
> to be on the other end" 
> kind of way.	Seems to me that the targets were more
> than 600m.
> 
> Michael Brown
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FlakMagnet72
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:25 AM
> To:	gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
> Subject:	Re: [SG2] AGL vs SAW
> 
> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 11:35 am,
> Popeyesays@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/28/03 9:54:33 AM Central
> Standard Time,
> >
> > mwbrown@sonic.net writes:
> > > Think of the AGL as an HMG that shots things
> that go BOOM.  This is an
> > > area effect weapon, the chance to hit is based
> on HE effects, not direct
> > > hits by individual rounds (really bad for the
> receiving team).  Range
> > > should be better
> > > than a SAW, more powder behind the round.
> > >
> > > Michael Brown
> >
> > In modern parlance the US GL is attached to the
> barrel of an assault rifle
> > and bloops rounds out to about 300 meters. The AGL
> version (the Mark 19
> > AGL) is a heavy weapon meant for a tripod or a
> vehicle mount. The grenade
> > is higherpowered than the simple GL round, but its
> range is really only
> > about double to 600 meters or so. The SAW on a
> bipod can be accurate to at
> > least 800 meters, maybe a thousand.
> 
> The Mk19 is accurate on area targets (it's firing
> grenades after all) to a
> much higer range than just 600 meters.
> 
> I've personally peppered designated area targets
> with multiple rounds out to
> 1200meters, and the weapon is "offically" rated for
> area targets out to 2200
> meters.
> 
> http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/mk19-3/
> 
> Now if you're focusing on the effective range of the
> Mk-19 on POINT targets,
> you're killing flies with a hammer.  It's the wrong
> weapon for that
> application.	The Mk-19 is a "close enough" weapon
> by it's very nature of
> chucking grenades.
> 
> The Mk-19 fires on a very slow velocity.  If you
> position yourself behind (in
> front is discouraged) the weapon in line with the
> barrel and watch closely,
> you can actually see the round moving away from you
> as a dark blur.
> 
> --
> --Tim
> http://geocities.com/flakmagnet72
> "Who draws his sword against the Prince,
> best throw away the scabbard." early 17th Century
> English Proverb
> 
> 

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