RE: Re:Current Events

I just think being a journalist in the warzone, you have to know you are
risking that sort of thing.  If you don't you shouldn't be there.

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From: Ryan M Gill [mailto:rmgill@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:26 PM
To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: Re:Current Events

At 6:58 PM +0200 4/11/03, KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de wrote:
>
>I guess we all have seen the footage of the Iraqi crowd cheering as the
US
>ARV pulled down the statue of Saddam. Here is a picture of that crowd
from
>an interesting perspective:
>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2838.htm

Oh, yeah, the troops were out to get the journalists, which is why 
they fired a tiny bit of armament at the hotel rather than leveling 
it. Isn't it even possible that someone misjudged where fire was 
coming from and fired rounds at the wrong building? Fire control 
isn't super solid and is still a rough art in combat. KH you of all 
people should know that.

Doesn't Murphys law of combat even enter into the minds of the 
journalists with combat experience? Combat zones are dangerous 
places. If you want to be safe, don't hang out in building when 
snipers could be a problem in nearby buildings. You hide. You stay 
low. Allied Troops in armored vehicles with recognition signs and 
other friendly fire prevention methods still get shot at and troops 
still die from Blue on Blue. Combat zones are hazardous areas. If 
those press were really smart, they would have placed a bloody huge 
flag on the hotel with PRESS written across it. And manned cameras 
remotely.

And of course, those same military master minds gathered those folks 
together to pull down the statue. And all the footage I keep seeing 
here at work is all the work of manipulation by the US and British 
Military.

Sorry KH I just don't think that dog will hunt.

That's why I so dislike the indy media. They don't get it. They don't 
look at history and they don't grasp logic or how chaos can make 
things just happen.

For example
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2841.htm
Its a war zone, some folks will die. The iraqi forces haven't been 
fighting fair. Yet, we have to fixate on the kids. Remember the 
children! Jeeze, it sounds like the basic anti-gun rhetoric.  How 
many children aren't going to die now because Saddam and Chemical Ali 
won't be gassing the Kurds. I remember footage of the dead kurds from 
TV back when I was in elementary school and the Iran Iraq war was 
raging.

On that main page, they have "Body Count 1158 min, max 1411". How 
many died in the gassing of the Kurdish or marsh Arab regions? They 
were still exchanging prisoners with Iran from the war 20 years ago. 
Compare the indy media's numbers on to how many civilians died in 
Normandy? Caen alone had 2400 civilian casualties. Civilians, red 
forces and blue forces are getting a huge break in this war compared 
to many others. In WWII Germans suffered on a massive scale that the 
Iraqi's won't ever see.

The bitching about the Blue on Blue as being incredible and amazing 
is just as specious. Combat is chaotic. Its far far far less chaotic 
now than is was 50 years ago.

The indy media always has to have a big conspiracy behind everything.
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