Re: The same old shit!!!

At 02:59  31/05/02 -0700, Eric wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Derek Fulton" <derekfulton@bigpond.com>
>To: <gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu>
>Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:20 PM
>Subject: Re: The same old shit!!!
>
>
> > At 03:15  30/05/02 -0700, Eric wrote:
>
> > >And then they'll be back inside seventy years as the most powerful
>military
> > >on the planet, kicking the Germans out of France in the process. 
Twice.
>
> > Unfortunately (for American ego's that's not entirely correct) As I
> > previously mentioned the arrival of fresh American troops had
brought
> > forward the end of the war, but the war was lost to the Germans.
>
>I'm sorry.  This claim simply is not transacting in reality.  Yes,
American
>military presence and its effect on both World Wars and their eventual
>outcome is debateable.  The effect of the American supply base and
>industrial might on the Allied war effort as a whole is not.

<snip>

Germany a continental European power was never going to win a drawn out
war 
against a coalition that included Great Britain, a global empire. When
the 
American troops arrived, the war in Europe was shifting from trench
warfare 
to a mobile phase, which ended in the breaking of the Hindenberg line.

>Remove Adolf Hitler from his disastrous meddling in military and
diplomatic
>decision making from about 1940 onward, and the chances of Allied
victory in
>the European theatre of World War II would have been basically zero. 
That
>stipulates three different crucial changes:

Remove Hitler and friends and there may not have even being a war :) 
Although there probably would still have seen a war between the US and
Japan.

Cheers

Derek

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