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Re: Nomenclature (NSL, FSE, ESU)

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:33:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Nomenclature (NSL, FSE, ESU)


--- Thomas Barclay <kaladorn@fox.nstn.ca> wrote:

> 1) FSE might translate in french as EFE (Etats 
> Federal Europa). I imagine a similar 
> abbreviation might apply in Spanish or Italian?

I thought the reason that they officially adopted the
"pigin French" FSE term is to avoid that very
question.  :)  At any rate, they'll use it for all
official correspondance. (source: FB1)

> 2) What is New Swabian League in German? 
> Would it be very different in Austrian or other 
> NSL languages?

Austrian is, like Bavarian, a dialect of German. 
Probably one version of German would be adopted for
ease of use (and so that recruits from Hamburg could
talk to sergeants from Austria--at least, in the
League military).  As for other NSL languages, what
else goes into the NSL hasn't really been defined. 
IMU, it includes Croatians, Chezchs, what else might
be included? 
 
> 3) What does the NSL call their Army? It would 
> not (I expect) still be the Bundeswehr since it 
> would include forces of other nations. 
> Landswehr? Are the NSL likely to have a 
> separate Marine arm (equivalent of the Royal 
> Marines or USMC)?

Landswehr is a militia-style formation, which meaning
is the same to Austrians and Germans.  It is probably
still retained for part-time soldiers.	I've seen it
translated Territorials or National Guard in English
and US sources respectively.  The Austrian Army is
called the Bundesheer.	Heer means Army, Bundes means
Federal.  I have no idea what they formally called
their military under the Hapsburgs--or for that
matter, what the German Army was called prior to WWI.

A centralized "League Military" might be the Ligawehr
or the Army the Ligaheer.

There's also the question of how unified is this
league (which can be asked of all of the
super-states)?	For instance, under the old German
Empire the Kingdom of Bavaria had the right to
maintain it's own Army under the King of Bavaria (it
was actually commanded in the field during WWI by the
Crown Prince of Bavaria).  It was integrated into the
German Army as an army, so that you might have 1st
Army, 2nd Army, and the Bavarian Army in an Army
Group, for instance.  Is there a strong League
Military (the KRF is a unified service, but is the
Heer?) with nationality being not overwhelming (rather
like regional affiliation with English regiments) or
is it a small League Military (highly trained
specialists, mostly) with various contingents
contributed by components (and of those components,
how unified is FRG in this time line--do the
Bavarians, Saxons, et al have seperate forces or is it
all one German force?).  Do the Croatian regiments
speak their native language or do they have to learn
German?  That's a background call-although the latter
is pretty much required for effective military
cooperation.

I happen to like the idea of the Bavarian Jaeger
Brigade, and the Death's Head Hussars, so I'm having a
loose federation IMU.  YMMV.  Then again, IMU all the
'superstates' are pretty loose (except maybe ESU, and
even there the local Party Secretaries have a good bit
of leeway).  This also has the distinct advantage of
being able to recruit Croatian Grenzer Regiments (who
skirmish incessantly with Romanov-affiliated Border
Guards. . .)  I know in Don's NSL, they took back
Tirol as well.
 
> 4) How would ESU translate to Russian and 
> Chinese? 
> 
> 5) What would the ESU Army be known as? 

The Red Army, of course!  Or instead People's
Liberation Army?  Interstellar People's Liberation
Army?  Popular People's Interstellar Liberation Front?
 Vanguard of Interstellar Revolution?  The only limits
are the grandeur of your delusions!
 
> 6) Would the ESU have a separate Marine 
> branch? Known as what?  

IIRC, the Soviets (and now the Russians) have had
Naval Infantry regiments as an integral part of their
Navy--brigades or regiments subordinated to the
various fleets rather than being an independant branch
a la USMC or RM.  God knows what the Chinese do.
 
John

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