RE: [FT] Rules you use, rules you ignore
From: "Robertson, Brendan" <Brendan.Robertson@d...>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:13:31 +1100
Subject: RE: [FT] Rules you use, rules you ignore
I use the current version of most of the rules.
No aft arc firing if any thrust used at all.
Occassional use of Ace/Turkey; either +6 per ace or 1; ace, 2-4; normal,
5-6; turkey.
Usually Cinematic, but occasional vector game.
Sensors usually for PBeM (requires GM to use properly).
I don't usually use striking the flag; but fleet morale usually applies.
Neath Southern Skies -http://home.pacific.net.au/~southernskies/
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Mancini [SMTP:peter_mancini@msn.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:12 AM
>
> What are the experiences most people have with the Full Thrust rules?
Do
> you find you use 100% of the rules or not?
>
> How many use the Aft Arc fire only on turns with no main drive thrust
> rule?
> How many use Aces and Turkys for fighters? How many even care to use
some
>
> of the fluff-hinted at rules such as time to change conditions (or do
all
> battles start with all crew at Red Alert?)
>
> Since there are so many optional rules, how many use Vector vs.
Cinematic?
>
> How many use any of the sensor rules?
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:15:01 -0800
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Subject: Re: GeoHex Page?.. OA
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My guess is that they got hacked. Bummer......
chubbybob wrote:
> nope.. right now that url leads to a microsft NT4 option pack.. wierd
eh???
>
> Bob DeAngelis
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> > Hi All,
> >
> > Can anyone else access the GeoHex page at the moment. I get some
sort
> > of Microsoft page when I try to access: http://www.geohex.com/
> >
> > Schoon
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Hi All,
I'm tweaking my FT SSDs (the ones with the nice ship outlines) to add
color, and I need some opinions concerning my choices. If you're
interested in evaluating, drop me a line at:
s_schoon@pacbell.net
...and I'll send along a JPEG file of an NAC-CH (it's about 60k).
Schoon
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:31:02 +1100 "Alan and Carmel Brain"
<snip>
>
>Glory to the Majority Party indeed. "Bolshevik" vs "Menshevik" is one
>of my favourite Big Lies.
>
>(OK for those not cluey on Russki history, when the Marxists were just
>one
>of
>the many small parties in the Duma, some bright spark had the idea
>that
>if they called themselves the 'Majority', and their far more numerous
>opponents the "Minority", eventually they'd be believed. Heck, it
>worked for
> 75 years.... Hence Bolshevik and Menshevik)
>
So Hitler's famous (apocryphal?) preference for "The Big Lie" was
borrowed from the... Russian Communists? Talk about strange.
Gracias, Glenn/Triphibious
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>Remember that d = 1/2 at^2, so (without working it out to verify) you
>should be able to use 10^2 FT turns or about 1 day (25 hours).
Hi Laser,
Could you expound on this one for me. I'm not getting it off the top
of my head...
Schoon
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>Nope, definitely Wombat
Actually I was thinking of an old story my Granddad used to tell and in
my
C++ induced haze sorta forgot the rest of you wouldn't know...all this
Christmas cheer must really be going to my head... I'd better go lie
down ;)
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I'd say my favorite Culture ship name was "What Are The Civilian
Applications?"
Sadly, the Culture Shock website seems to be offline, and had the only
know (to
me) complete listing of Culture ship names.
--- Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@dynamite.com.au> wrote:
> From: "Indy" <kochte@stsci.edu>
>
> > Somewhat reminds me of what Ian Banks did with his ship names in
> > "Excession". Kinda similar to yours above, but more along the
> > lines of phrases (Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, Steely
> > Glint, Serious Callers Only, Ethics Gradient, Charitable View, etc).
>
> My favourite was "Strange Dark Sins". Though there were some
> other goodies, "Collateral Damage" etc.
>
> Hmmm. Did I start this by giving the OU's names for Fleet Auxliaries,
> viz Wombat of Retribution, Potto of Destiny etc?
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Sean Bayan Schoonmaker <s_schoon@pacbell.net>
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Hi All,
Here's the results from the poll I did on play aids:
I weighted the results by both number of votes and rankings
1) Fighter Markers (w/ center dot) (weighted 20)
2) SML Markers (w/ center dot) (weighted 19)
3) SML/Fighter/Plasma Attack Template (weighted 16)
4) Arc Template (weighted 15)
5) Rules Crib Sheet (weighted 14)
5) Plasma Marker (weighted 7)
6) FT Tape measure w/ marks at critical ranges (i.e. Beam, P-Torp)
(weighted 5)
7) Bogie Markers (weighted 4)
8) Range Stick (weighted 4)
9) Orbital Crib Sheet (weighted 3)
10) Vector Markers (weighted 1)
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Subject: Re: Ship Names (was Re: RE-Ship types names)
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30 seconds later....
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=542970&lastnode_id=14952
--- Michael Llaneza <imperialdispatches@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'd say my favorite Culture ship name was "What Are The Civilian
> Applications?"
>
> Sadly, the Culture Shock website seems to be offline, and had the only
know
> (to
> me) complete listing of Culture ship names.
>
> --- Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@dynamite.com.au> wrote:
> > From: "Indy" <kochte@stsci.edu>
> >
> > > Somewhat reminds me of what Ian Banks did with his ship names in
> > > "Excession". Kinda similar to yours above, but more along the
> > > lines of phrases (Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, Steely
> > > Glint, Serious Callers Only, Ethics Gradient, Charitable View,
etc).
> >
> > My favourite was "Strange Dark Sins". Though there were some
> > other goodies, "Collateral Damage" etc.
> >
> > Hmmm. Did I start this by giving the OU's names for Fleet
Auxliaries,
> > viz Wombat of Retribution, Potto of Destiny etc?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: Re: [FT] SML-AF Was Re: More weapon...
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Sean Bayan Schoonmaker wrote:
> >I will make some humble suggestions (ignore at will).
>
> I TRY not to ignore suggestions (even though the poor misguided
> people who give them just don't realize just how right I am ;-)
>
> >I would remove the prohibition against fighter secondary movement,
but
> >give the missiles a 12" secondary movement.
>
> I actually thought of this and didn't include it on purpose. The
> question was one of balance. An SML salvo is 2 MASS, equal to 2 PDSs,
> which are reusable. If it's too easy for fighters to evade, then you
> may as well go with more PDSs. Of course, on the other hand, you need
> to make sure the SML-AF is not too overpowering either. As it stands,
> the SML-AF will generally kill 1.2 fighters from every full squadron
> in the area of effect.
Another idea for the SML-AF:
The anti-fighter salvo was the result of a solution in search of a
problem. A
FSE quartermaster responded to complaints of the inefficiencies of
loading an
odd number of long ranged missile salvoes. The long ranged missiles are
the
same diameter as the standards, but are 50% longer*. The missiles are
stored
end to end in number of parallel tracks (usually 6, or multiple
thereof).
Pulling out two standard missiles to accomodate a long range missile
leaves a
void that is half the size of a standard missile. A chopped down
version of
standard missile was proposed to close this gap, and on those grounds,
developement was approved.
The "stubby" was a failure by any standard. It had a short range,
reduced
warhead, and was no more difficult to intercept. Its range was not much
longer than the point defence systems. The solution to its problems
were
counter-intuitive. As it had poor anti-ship performance, it was
converted to
an anti-fighter role by reducing both its range and warhead. The
missiles
sustainer motor was completely removed and the freed volume (along with
the
further reduction in the warhead) was dedicated to a much larger
terminal
maneuvering package. The resulting package could not go very far at
all, but
within that small radius, it could out accelerate a fighter. As a last
ditch
anti-ship weapon, it still had some utilty.
Game Stats:
The AF salvo has a mass of one and can engage any target in the arc of
the
launcher. It has a range of only six mu, but is placed on the board
AFTER
ships have moved. It can be fired on in the point defence phase, but if
targeted on a plasma burst, it is resolved first [do phalons escort
plasma
bursts?]. Each undestroyed missile will destroy a fighter or salvo
missile on
a 4, 5, or 6 (heavy fighters and PB's ignore 4's, and AF missiles may
not fire
on each other) on a d6, or automatically hit the target ship for one
point of
damage.
Fighters engaged with anti-fighter missiles lose a point of endurance,
or +1
is added to the missiles to hit roll, if no endurance remains (they are
trying
to dodge, if they are able). Firing on the missiles while dodging does
not
cost another point of endurance, but does count as firing for the turn.
If no attempt is made to intercept them, they are about as good as a
scattergun; otherwise, they are a half decent way to fill a single empty
mass
point in a magazine or a way good to distract fighters. The
constriction on
the utility of the AF salvo is the need for a launcher.
* Hist. footnote: The handling equipment dates back to before a
propulsion
breakthrough allowed for smaller missiles to go the same distance. To
reduce
logistical problems, the diameter of the missiles were unchanged, but
were
shortened. The long range missiles used the older longer casings. That
this
idea actually worked as well as advertised earned the engineer
responsible
membership in the Legion d'Honeur.
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:36:56 -0500
Organization: Haphazard at best.
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:15:01 -0800, Mark Reindl <mreindl@pacbell.net>
wrote:
>My guess is that they got hacked. Bummer......
As of 8:35 Eastern Standard Time, the Geo-Hex web site is back up and
running
at the http://www.geohex.com URL.
Allan Goodall awg@sympatico.ca
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Bayan Schoonmaker <s_schoon@pacbell.net>
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Subject: Re: Ship Names (was Re: RE-Ship types names)
> >This thread has reminded me.... What kind of naming conventions have
> >people been following for their Full Thrust ships? Anything
particularly
> >fun or interesting to relate?
:
(SNIP names)
For my NSL fleet I use a mix of FB1-type names and old Austro-Hungarian
ship
names, e.g.:
BB Kronprinzessin Erzherzogin Stefanie
BC Frantiszek Linke-Crawford (a WW1 fighter pilot)
CA Schwarzenberg CEs Zrinyi, Custoza
DDs: Waldburgs after early torpedo craft e.g. Huszar, Trabant, Komet
Waldburg-Ms after early patrol craft e.g. Natter, Caiman
(reptiles)
CTs: also after early patrol craft e.g.Marabu, Sekretar, Gaukler (birds)
Incidentally, Karl-Heinz, what kind of beastie is a Gaukler? And a
Gepard?
My Scots use all sorts, including names from James IV's navy in the 16th
Century, e.g. Ly-by-the-fire, Klinkbellis; Unicorn and Salamander (CVAs)
KJ4
himself is a BC, William Wallace and John Maclean SDNs and the Great
Micheal
is an extra large SDN. Admiral Greig, Admiral Cochrane, and John Paul
Jones
are old ex-ESU BBs (Revell Maquis fighter minikits)
Rob Paul