RE: [OT] Havok (was: Re: OT: Mage Knight Rebellion)

It did make it down here to Oz.  
I bought several of the large tanks & a gunship pack.  The gunships are
great for stargrunt (good scale & well armed).	I wound up doing some
SLAM/3
rules for SG so I could model the dumbfire missile pods properly
(otherwise
I used 12 x IAVR missiles as 1 weapon mount).

It didn't really go anywhere here either, as the places selling it also
sold
GW stuff as well.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ground Zero Games [SMTP:jon@gzg.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:46 PM
> To:	gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
> Subject:	)[OT] Havok (was: Re: OT: Mage Knight Rebellion
> 
> >On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:05:05 -0700, krs@geohex.com wrote:
> >
> >>The game is the
> >>brain child of Jordan Weisman of Battletech fame and
> >>should be a success.
> >
> >I wish you success, KR. But I know that around here, NO store is
buying
> into
> >more collectible stuff. Even collectible disk games, which were the
"big
> >thing" at GenCon aren't making any kind of impression. Too many
stores
> got
> >burned. If stores aren't buying Star Trek disk games, or any of the
other
> disk
> >games, they aren't likely to get into a "collectible miniatures"
game.
> >
> >I also concur with Rick. Didn't play a demo, but watched a couple. It
> looked
> >kind of dull. The figures were okay (not badly painted, for machine
> painted
> >plastic minis) but very "derivative". My friend Sherry was mildly
> >amused/disgusted at the big hefty-chested female magic user (we all
know
> the
> >target market for this game). It looked cumbersome with a lot of
figures,
> and
> >boring with a few. Not exactly a deep game.
> 
> A couple of years ago, a UK toy company (Bluebird Toys) made a brave
> venture into the "kiddie gamer" market with a system called Havok,
> consisting of (crudely) prepainted plastic 25/30mm (GW style) figures
sold
> 3 to a box, complete with game stats etc, plus three or four rather
nice
> snap-together plastic vehicles for it (a light tank/APC, a heavy tank,
a
> rather steampunky VTOL etc). There was also a small boxed starter game
> with
> a selection of figs, rules, card terrain etc - very much "40K lite".
The
> rules were ultra-simple, but it DID kind of work as a game - it had
many
> of
> the traditional wargaming elements distilled down to their simplest
form
> for young gamers.
> Sadly, it didn't last - there were rumours that GW had a hand in
killing
> it
> (though this may just be industry paranoia, but it WAS very GW-style
in
> the
> design and I could quite see them dropping a lawyer or two on it), and
> everything ended up in toyshop clearance bins - I picked a few of the
> vehicles up for the bits box at silly prices a few months back. I've
also
> got 2 copies of the boxed set (also obtained at clearance prices).
> Did the game and the figures ever make it to the US market at all, or
was
> it purely a UK thing?
> 
> Jon (GZG)
> >
> >
> >Allan Goodall		  awg@sympatico.ca
> >Goodall's Grotto:  http://www.vex.net/~agoodall
> >
> >"Surprisingly, when you throw two naked women with sex
> >toys into a living room full of drunken men, things
> >always go bad." - Kyle Baker, "You Are Here"
> 
>