Fate of the 'ld USA wasRe: [FT]USA in Full Thrust...

Here is my two cents,
I always thought of NAC complete control of maybe the east half of US
(Minn. to La and east) With Tex-Cal controls most of South West
states.(N.M. Az. and Nv. especially)Free Indian Terriority (fiercely
independent non-space faring power allied with NAC)controls N.D.,
S.D.(and parts of neighboring states and Canada) Mountain States
Alliance, an another non-space faring power under protection of NAC,
without the MSA permission they might add, made up of Montana, Idaho,
Utah, and Wyoming and as much of the neighboring states as they can
'liberate'. IMHO, There would be a lot of tension between ex-USA and
British government at least, at first. Nothing a couple of good wars
and a century and half of _decent_ government wouldn't solve. Even then
friendly jabs would occur. And rugby games between NYC teams and any
Brit team would be brutal.As a New Yorker would say "I got ya
Confederation right here" I think people of MSA and Tex-Cal would
welcome them with arms. 

--- Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> wrote:
> 
> ----------
> > Från: Donald Hosford <hosford.donald@acd.net>
> > Till: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
> > Ämne: Re: [FT]USA in Full Thrust...
> > Datum:  den 16 april 1999 09:01
> > 
> > Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
> > 
> > > Donald Hosford wrote:
> > >
> > > Hm. Strange file format - or, rather, the file
> wants to be opened
> by
> > > ALIFE.EXE (which it claims is "required to read
> this type of .ASC
> > > files", which is obviously wrong since Wordpad
> works just as well
> :-/ )
> > >
> > 
> > Sorry that I can't help you there...does the
> ALIFE.EXE program have a
> way
> > to tell it not to do that?	(ie: tell it to stop
> monitoring for that
> file
> > format?)
> > 
> > >
> > > > This file is my take on the United States. 
> (They secretly build
> > > > starships, and leave the solar system in 2053.
>  They later return
> in
> > > > 2188.)
> > >
> > > Well...
> > >
> > > The comment about "I can't see how the NAC would
> say no" to ceding
> the
> > > USA is... strange, to say the least.
> > >
> > > Put it like this: How would the current US
> government react if,
> during
> > > WWII, all of a sudden the (well-armed and
> numerous) descendants of
> > > Sitting Bull turned up out of nowhere and
> demanded that all the
> Plains
> > > states be immediately turned over to them, or
> else...? The
> situation is
> > > a very close analogue to your storyline.
> 
> > Well I did say that it seemed unlikely that the
> Americans would
> remain 
> > that mad for 135 years...
> 
> *That* part I don't have any problem with at all -
> not when the purpose
> of the original exodus was to come back and get
> even. I wouldn't be the
> least surprised if the neo-American children were
> imprinted with that
> purpose at a very early age, much like you are
> taught to honour the US
> flag now... National myths and hatreds can be very
> long-lived indeed,
> and not only in the Balkans... 
> 
> The part in the neo-American timeline about
> "traitors getting what they
> deserve" (not verbatim), concerning those mainland
> Americans who
> cooperated with the UK/Canadian forces, sounds quite
> a lot like Serb
> slogans (or the propaganda/threats of any other
> totalitarian state or
> terrorist organisation of your choice) and (in my
> eyes) reinforces the
> impression of the neo-Americans as being rather
> fanatic (and capable of
> coming up with an ultimatum like that).
> 
> > Besides, the various earth nations have been
> fighting the Kra'Vak for
> the
> > last 4-5 years, and they are slowly losing
> ground....
> 
> Compare this to a Neo-Indian ultimatum some time
> between Pearl Harbour
> and Midway. Not that big a difference in the overall
> situation, except
> that the KV are still only on the fringes whereas
> the Nazis had overrun
> most of Europe (corresponding to a large portion of
> the Core Worlds in
> the Tuffleyverse). Which situation is worse?
> 
> The NAC also have the British tradition of not
> losing wars no matter
> the odds. Napoleon and Hitler both conquered most of
> Europe, but in
> both cases Britain hung on and emerged victorious -
> with help from
> others, certainly, but the NAC isn't completely
> without allies either.
> In recent years Britain went to war (and a rather
> expensive war, at
> that) to reconquer a few small islands which had
> been invaded (economic
> value virtually nil, political value not much
> bigger, symbolic value
> huge...). With a mindset like that, it is very
> unlikely that they'd
> fold up easily.
> 
> So, if the neo-Americans made the ultimatum and
> didn't back down from
> it, there'd certainly be war. The biggest question
> is what the
> Americans still living on the North American
> continent would think
> about it all :-/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Oerjan Ohlson
> oerjan.ohlson@telia.com
> 
> "Life is like a sewer.
>   What you get out of it, depends on what you put
> into it."
> - Hen3ry
> 
> 

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