Re: [FT] GZG Model Scale

> On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:13:20 +1000 Alan E & Carmel J Brain 
> <aebrain@dynamite.com.au> wrote:
> > Steve Pugh wrote:
> 
> >> The mass of the Enterprise has always been suspect, whilst most 
> sources have said something between 150,000 and 200,000mt there is 
> dialogue in the original series which stated a mass of a million 
> ton(ne?)s! <<
> 
> > Star Trek Technical Manual (Franz Joseph designs) states 275,000 
> metric tonnes deadweight. Which may or may not be empty, combat weight
or
> fully loaded. Mass 2750 in any event. Youch! <
> 
> That seems high. The original Enterprise (Kirk's TV version) was
always
> said (by such people as Bob Justman, who ought to know <g>) to mass
> 190,000 mt, and I'm pretty sure that that figure was used in the FJ ST
> Tech Manual (in my copy, anyway). The DN was something like 275,000
mt,
> and the DD was 95,000; the SC, built on the same hull but with less
> weaponry, was 94,500 mt.

Ah, that makes more sense.

> The mass of the refitted Enterprise was never explicitly stated,
AFAIK,
> except for a dubious figure from FASA of 170,000 mt. High tech =
lighter
> ship, despite the better engines, 3 times as many phasers, bigger
> secondary hull, etc. I won't say that it couldn't happen, but the
> materials boys must have come up with something amazing....

Ships of the Starfleet Volume 1 puts the refit at about 200,000mt 
(can't recall if it's slightly more or slightly less). Starfleet 
Dynamics puts it at exactly 200,000mt.

An FT conversion factor of 1 mass = 1000mt gives an Enterprise that's 
big enough (circa mass 200) to carry a decent load of weapons and 
decent lab facilities. But how big would that make the Galaxy class?

> As for the "million-ton" reference, I'd appreciate some more details
of
> who said that and when. ISTR seeing mention of the Enterprise-D
massing
> about that much, but not the original "no bloody A, B, C or D" ship.

Can't recall where it's from, but I know that it's come up on 
rec.arts.startrek.tech from time to time. Argh, found the reference 
in Deja News but it doesn't give an episode, but it is from a bloke 
who normally knows what he's talking about.

I think that of more recent vessels only Voyager has been given a 
mass in dialogue. (700,000 ton(ne?)s). So there's another 
contradictory data point.

	Steve
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