RE: Mines 8 (!)

Thanks for the reply.

What you say sounds SOP for Canadian forces as well.  We have eods as
well.  On my basic pioneer course we did go over BIPping and the role of
EODs but were taught how to disarm devices.  This included mines and
booby traps.  One of the best days was a day where we split into two
teams.	Both teams set up parts of a building with booby traps then each
team had to disarm the other team's booby traps.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Los [SMTP:los@cris.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 1998 6:42 PM
> To:	FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
> Subject:	Re: Mines 8 (!)
> 
> Not that I'm an engineer expert or anything but there is a particular
> breed
> of engineer called EOD, that receives training in dealing with that
> sort of
> stuff.  Sure regular engineers are trained to recover the mines that
> they
> laid, but at least in peacetime anything trickier is left to EOD.
> Though
> they might learn a bit more in the engineer advanced NCO course.
> (there is
> an advanced engineer course that I read about where you learn more
> high
> speed stuff, but maybe there's a 12B on the list taht can shed some
> light on
> it. Of course in wartime you get everyone and their mother tinkering
> with
> stuff if need be, sometimes unsuccessfully. :(
> 
> Still the safest and quickest way to deal with unexploded ordnance and
> mines
> are to blow them in place. Even on the range if someone tosses a
> grenade
> that doesn't go off, the official answer is to blow it in place with a
> peice
> of C4 in the US Army.
> 
> John Skelly wrote:
> 
> > So as an American engineer you are not trained in any other way than
> > blowing in place?  Is that the same for booby traps and the like?
> What
> > doctrine must you follow if you lack explosives?
> >
> > Are regular force engineers taught more than national guard units?
> >
> > I only had a couple of opportunities to work with US forces so I'm
> real
> > curious.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jatkins6@ix.netcom.com [SMTP:jatkins6@ix.netcom.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 15, 1998 10:59 PM
> > > To:   FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
> > > Subject:	    RE: Mines 8 (!)
> > >
> > > You wrote:
> > >
> > > >Canadian engineers are trained to disarm enemy mines.  In fact so
> are
> > > >Canadian infantry.  As well, whenever they go to a specific
> theatre
> > > they >get trained on disarming mines that may be found there.
> > >
> > > Including AHDs and what not?  Not my particular piece of pie.  Go
> for
> > > it.  Just warn me so I'm out of blast radius.  Playing games with
> > > foreign mines that might be boobytrapped or worse is not my idea
> of
> > > fun.
> > >
> > > Reminds me of the first US casualty in Bosnia.  This was an E-7,
> so he
> > >
> > > should have known better.  Tried to disarm a mine with a
> Leatherman.
> > > They found it embedded in his skull.  In my book, he deserves it
> for
> > > gross stupidity.
> > >
> > > John M. Atkinson
> 
>